Originally by: OffBeaT

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Edited by: OffBeaT on 28/01/2005 19:14:12

Originally by: Tar om

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Now I'm sure not everyone will agree with this to the last detail, but since the propulsion changes PvP from my perspective has been reduced massively in its depth and flexibility.

Where cruisers used to have a role with oversize AB or AB/MWD setups, they are now pretty much useless. Battlecruisers are also pretty much unused in PvP with the exception of the odd Ferox having a good go.

You see a few HAC but they are rare and expensive and theat pretty much leaves BS (which are definitely back in fashion) and frigates/tech2 frigates to act as tacklers.

Not a lot inbetween, at least in the 0.0 big alliance battles that we've been seeing (oh such fun ;) ) recently. Was this really CCPs intent when they removed oversize ABs and nerfed the FAST PACED PvP that we used to be able to have?

BS are boring as watching grass grow in slowmotion. They pretty much always end up in the blobbing game, and frigates on their own are fun to fly but really don't mean a lot in the bigger picture of warfare. Can CCP really be happy that they've created all these wonderful looking ships and modules which are just going to waste?

I've got about 18m skill points now, and I'm going to be flying a damn rifter in combat because I don't want to fly a Tempest anymore and pretty much every other ship I can fly is either too weak or too slow to stand up to a BS. Would it be possible to give Battlecruisers and more useful role by letting them either tank or gun to BS standards? OR let them go fast enough to avoid most BS damage output?

How about cruisers? They have no role now, apart from attacking frigs - but they are too slow now to do it properly. Give them a speed boost to give them a change to escape BS guns. Destroyers and Assault ships are all very well, but hell - they're frigs at the end of the day.

Well, thats my take on it atm. I hope I'm wrong and people will suggest good ships with good roles....

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nice post.. i have been trying too say that for days now even weeks..

these ships can not copeat with the intersepts or assault ships. i cant even use any cruiser and take on a intersepter let alone a assault ship.. they are so fast i have no missiles that can hit them, my t1 hybrids cant hit them and the same with any missiles i have tried lite/havey/rockets. this is when they are even at 11k from me becouse they are avoiding being webed. witch is real easy for them ships too do.

with t2 weapons they are just taring my sheilds off in secounds. faster then i can think too do anything.

im in a crusier here fighting a ubar frig for crist sakes not a ubar assault ship. i mean facing a assault frig with t2 guns in a normal cruiser with t1 guns is like getting hit with a BS.

these mwd/ab are usless for me now. i cant get near enough too them ships too hit or web them.. its total BS.. i cant even put up a fight anymore without being in a BS or the new ubar supper ships. i have been shut out off 00 space now becouse i cant compet with them ships. that all there using out there now, but im stuck with all this t1 ships/guns that are just not usfull anymore. the gap is too large now from the haves and have nots wit these ships and weapons. as where befor it never was.. i wona thank ccp for letting me wast 11 months of skill work too end up at the **** end of the game again. these ships are way out of my reach for at leat 4 to 6 months for some of them. what am i soppost too do now.. sit around for 4 months or so getting my ass kicked trying too get back into 00 space too make a living.

you think the player base with 10-8mil in points is gona care too wait and keep getting there skills robed frome them like this.. these are empire fighting ships we are stuck with now, but since you now have made it so empire wars are almost not happing now unless your in a alliance. wtf am i too do with these **** ships now.. ??????????

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